http://massively.joystiq.com/2014/03/25/heres-some-of-the-cyberbullying-that-happens-in-eve-online/

So here goes for news coverage.

Only about 1.1 billion.

EDIT: Also, he wasn't scammed. He quit the bonus round and forfeited his ISK.

Every time some little minuscule carebear nobody gets scammed, cries or namecalled CCP is gonna have to call out the legal beagles to tend to hurt wounds and find precedents to take action? You think they want to pay lawyers by the hours over nonsense time and time again?

Victim? Really people? >.>

So let me get this straight....

1. Idiot #1 falls for Idiot #2's isk doubling scam and is invited to play in a 'bonus room'
2. Idiot #2 askes idiot #1 to TS, and he agrees
3. Idiot #1 makes himself look like an ass in front of idiot #2 and his friends.
4. Idiot #2 tells Idiot #1 he gets nothing.
5. Idiot #1 throws a fit, and is marred by his own decision to go along with this

In this case the 'victim' only fell victim to his own stupidity and greed. No one was pointing a gun to this guys face forcing him to participate in this. He could have refused to come on TS, and once he made the decision to join, he could have left at anytime.

Lets be serious here, I'm all for victims rights as much as the next guy/gal is, but unlike a true victim of a true crime this guy actually had choices available to him to avoid this and he choose greed in a video game, over being humiliated. Sorry, but in this case the 'victim' bought this on himself and I can't support the O.P's motive in this tread at this time.

By the way, to the people saying that erotica should be banned for this:

The only in game interaction that took place here was the giving of isk, and contracting of assets which is totally not against the rules. The 'bonus room' as it were took place entirely on a private TS server which CCP has no jurisdiction.

Blah Blah. It's a fantastic troll. You're just jelly you weren't in on it.

And where did I say I support ero and his group of friends? >.>

All I said is that the person who got scammed in this case is equally at fault if not more so. Where as a **** victim, robbery victim, or murder victim doesn't have any choice weather or not they become a victim or not, this guy and every idiot who has or will fall for this scam does have a choice. That choice is don't be a greedy bastard...

And you sir are missing the point entirely...

Its okay I'll wait for you to catch up >.>

Right right. I see compaines that are out to make profits swinging ban hammers to and from against people that don't break EULA's. Get real chief. Anonymity is the word of the day. No Eula Breach no nada happen. Like I said Grey. If they take any side without a EULA breach they run into litigation issues. No business opens themselves to litigation without having there bum covered. In this case Erotica 1 is covered.

There is a point where sadism isn't a fetish anymore but a disease.

Question is: Does CCP like to be associated with this? Let's ask that question to the PR people.

History shows it happens when you hit page 150 :)

Ah, I see now.

If it was inside the EULA or not is nothing I know much about. From what others have posted here one might make that interpretation that it is. I'll await CCP's decision on that.

As for the second part... It is not my opinion that the guy was goaded a little. It is no doubt that he was in severe distress. That distress was brought upon him by Ero and the others. Under that distress he lashed out (and later recanted and apologized). THe most disturbing part to me about Eros and the others behavior is that when their mark shows signs of severe distress they just tighten the screws a little more. That smacks of a severe lack of empathy to me. Lack of empathy is a crucial asset of really dangerous people. And don't say "but in other games..." like you did before. This was outside the game according to your previous statements. You can't have it both ways in order to further one line of your argument.

Where you live perhaps Sohk would be put in jail? I actually think not since he was under pressure at the time. But let's not debate that, neither of us are lawyers.

As for the question whether none, some or all should be banned... I'll leave that to CCP. Personally I'd let the involved explain themselves and then make a decision.

They had months to act before this occurred. By doing nothing the statement is clear. Nothing is wrong with it.

You're missing the point anyhow it says "within the Game" Read that EULA closer

We are adults and should conduct ourselves with respect, keeping the villainy within the game.

Or we could discuss this as reasonable adults and treat this as opportunity for open dialog. You don't see me pasting talking points repeatedly. You see me wishing to discuss it. I would even call it a debate, let's just have an honest dialogue. I can reflect and concede some points, as can you. That's how we move forward. Not with crazy rhetoric.

Any quotable snippet I throw out here will get trolled to death. All of these questions can be asked in a livestreamed event. Keep asking questions though, some of these are good.

I certainly do hope many of my critics here take the time to read www.minerbumping.com because you will find thousands of examples of utter filth spewed by highsec miners.

I assure you, we are the good guys. Take a look.

read back a few pages. I have read every single post here. Please show me some respect and do the same.

I agree that was a very good post. Meanwhile I get someone asking very broad questions wanting yes/no answers which I assure you will be damned if I do/damned if I don't. The funny thing is I already gave the very answers they seek, just a few pages back.

I have been playing this game for many many years now, and have never really been comfortable with the whole scamming thing. I think it spoils the game and actually drives people away. Scamming as become so prevalent in Eve its over taken the good aspects of it. Look at jita every single post in chat is a scam.

I dont like the fact that goonswarm do this constantly to a point its part of their culture, and sometimes the way they do it is a little creepy and weird and wrong.

But this is a whole new level, and its just not about a scam, its cyber bullying, torture at is very worse. I am sure this is certainly not the first case of this and its happening to others by other eve players.

You can hear from the start where this was going, and Erotica1 sounds really creepy tbh. They carried on for 2 hours, even when they knew the guy was getting upset, this is when you stop. Actually it should of never started.

This is for me the real darkside of eve, and where scamming takes it past gameplay. I have never played or seen a game that allows this to happen, or even breeds that type of person. The very idea of scamming has created these people, and CCP certainly has to take brunt of the blame for this as they endorse this type of behavior, but its gone a a step too far. as stated I am sure there are many Erotica1s lurking about.

This is just not scamming, its parasidic and morally wrong. Personally i would of called the police and given them the recording as people are now getting prosecuted for this type of thing. What gets me most is that there have been a few cases on twitter etc where people have committed suicide because of people like this. What if this guy did?

CCP has a duty just like twitter and others to protect its users.

However being a veteran player of this game, even after the time an investment i have made, every moral fibre in me is twitching. I am now seriously thinking do i want to pay, play or be a part of this game, ccp and its community if this is something that is happening to people. I certainly do not want to be associated with an organisation or game that endorses such actions and game play anymore.

I have been playing this game for many many years now, and have never really been comfortable with the whole scamming thing. I think it spoils the game and actually drives people away. Scamming as become so prevalent in Eve its over taken the good aspects of it. Look at jita every single post in chat is a scam.

I dont like the fact that goonswarm do this constantly to a point its part of their culture, and sometimes the way they do it is a little creepy and weird and wrong.

But this is a whole new level, and its just not about a scam, its cyber bullying, torture at is very worse. I am sure this is certainly not the first case of this and its happening to others by other eve players.

You can hear from the start where this was going, and Erotica1 sounds really creepy tbh. They carried on for 2 hours, even when they knew the guy was getting upset, this is when you stop. Actually it should of never started.

This is for me the real darkside of eve, and where scamming takes it past gameplay. I have never played or seen a game that allows this to happen, or even breeds that type of person. The very idea of scamming has created these people, and CCP certainly has to take brunt of the blame for this as they endorse this type of behavior, but its gone a a step too far. as stated I am sure there are many Erotica1s lurking about.

This is just not scamming, its parasidic and morally wrong. Personally i would of called the police and given them the recording as people are now getting prosecuted for this type of thing. What gets me most is that there have been a few cases on twitter etc where people have committed suicide because of people like this. What if this guy did?

CCP has a duty just like twitter and others to protect its users.

However being a veteran player of this game, even after the time an investment i have made, every moral fibre in me is twitching. I am now seriously thinking do i want to pay, play or be a part of this game, ccp and its community if this is something that is happening to people. I certainly do not want to be associated with an organisation or game that endorses such actions and game play anymore.

I have been playing this game for many many years now, and have never really been comfortable with the whole scamming thing. I think it spoils the game and actually drives people away. Scamming as become so prevalent in Eve its over taken the good aspects of it. Look at jita every single post in chat is a scam.

I dont like the fact that goonswarm do this constantly to a point its part of their culture, and sometimes the way they do it is a little creepy and weird and wrong.

But this is a whole new level, and its just not about a scam, its cyber bullying, torture at is very worse. I am sure this is certainly not the first case of this and its happening to others by other eve players.

You can hear from the start where this was going, and Erotica1 sounds really creepy tbh. They carried on for 2 hours, even when they knew the guy was getting upset, this is when you stop. Actually it should of never started.

This is for me the real darkside of eve, and where scamming takes it past gameplay. I have never played or seen a game that allows this to happen, or even breeds that type of person. The very idea of scamming has created these people, and CCP certainly has to take brunt of the blame for this as they endorse this type of behavior, but its gone a a step too far. as stated I am sure there are many Erotica1s lurking about.

This is just not scamming, its parasidic and morally wrong. Personally i would of called the police and given them the recording as people are now getting prosecuted for this type of thing. What gets me most is that there have been a few cases on twitter etc where people have committed suicide because of people like this. What if this guy did?

CCP has a duty just like twitter and others to protect its users.

However being a veteran player of this game, even after the time an investment i have made, every moral fibre in me is twitching. I am now seriously thinking do i want to pay, play or be a part of this game, ccp and its community if this is something that is happening to people. I certainly do not want to be associated with an organisation or game that endorses such actions and game play anymore.

I have been playing this game for many many years now, and have never really been comfortable with the whole scamming thing. I think it spoils the game and actually drives people away. Scamming as become so prevalent in Eve its over taken the good aspects of it. Look at jita every single post in chat is a scam.

I dont like the fact that goonswarm do this constantly to a point its part of their culture, and sometimes the way they do it is a little creepy and weird and wrong.

But this is a whole new level, and its just not about a scam, its cyber bullying, torture at is very worse. I am sure this is certainly not the first case of this and its happening to others by other eve players.

You can hear from the start where this was going, and Erotica1 sounds really creepy tbh. They carried on for 2 hours, even when they knew the guy was getting upset, this is when you stop. Actually it should of never started.

This is for me the real darkside of eve, and where scamming takes it past gameplay. I have never played or seen a game that allows this to happen, or even breeds that type of person. The very idea of scamming has created these people, and CCP certainly has to take brunt of the blame for this as they endorse this type of behavior, but its gone a a step too far. as stated I am sure there are many Erotica1s lurking about.

This is just not scamming, its parasidic and morally wrong. Personally i would of called the police and given them the recording as people are now getting prosecuted for this type of thing. What gets me most is that there have been a few cases on twitter etc where people have committed suicide because of people like this. What if this guy did?

CCP has a duty just like twitter and others to protect its users.

However being a veteran player of this game, even after the time an investment i have made, every moral fibre in me is twitching. I am now seriously thinking do i want to pay, play or be a part of this game, ccp and its community if this is something that is happening to people. I certainly do not want to be associated with an organisation or game that endorses such actions and game play anymore.

I have been playing this game for many many years now, and have never really been comfortable with the whole scamming thing. I think it spoils the game and actually drives people away. Scamming as become so prevalent in Eve its over taken the good aspects of it. Look at jita every single post in chat is a scam.

I dont like the fact that goonswarm do this constantly to a point its part of their culture, and sometimes the way they do it is a little creepy and weird and wrong.

But this is a whole new level, and its just not about a scam, its cyber bullying, torture at is very worse. I am sure this is certainly not the first case of this and its happening to others by other eve players.

You can hear from the start where this was going, and Erotica1 sounds really creepy tbh. They carried on for 2 hours, even when they knew the guy was getting upset, this is when you stop. Actually it should of never started.

This is for me the real darkside of eve, and where scamming takes it past gameplay. I have never played or seen a game that allows this to happen, or even breeds that type of person. The very idea of scamming has created these people, and CCP certainly has to take brunt of the blame for this as they endorse this type of behavior, but its gone a a step too far. as stated I am sure there are many Erotica1s lurking about.

This is just not scamming, its parasidic and morally wrong. Personally i would of called the police and given them the recording as people are now getting prosecuted for this type of thing. What gets me most is that there have been a few cases on twitter etc where people have committed suicide because of people like this. What if this guy did?

CCP has a duty just like twitter and others to protect its users.

However being a veteran player of this game, even after the time an investment i have made, every moral fibre in me is twitching. I am now seriously thinking do i want to pay, play or be a part of this game, ccp and its community if this is something that is happening to people. I certainly do not want to be associated with an organisation or game that endorses such actions and game play anymore.

Quite frankly what you people are currently doing to E1 is closer to cyber bullying as you drag their name through the mud via as many media outlets as you can manage.

By communicating game-related activities over TeamSpeak, Erotica 1 in fact broke international scam law! Interpol is involved. Calls have been made.

I have been playing this game for many many years now, and have never really been comfortable with the whole scamming thing. I think it spoils the game and actually drives people away. Scamming as become so prevalent in Eve its over taken the good aspects of it. Look at jita every single post in chat is a scam.

I dont like the fact that goonswarm do this constantly to a point its part of their culture, and sometimes the way they do it is a little creepy and weird and wrong.

But this is a whole new level, and its just not about a scam, its cyber bullying, torture at is very worse. I am sure this is certainly not the first case of this and its happening to others by other eve players.

You can hear from the start where this was going, and Erotica1 sounds really creepy tbh. They carried on for 2 hours, even when they knew the guy was getting upset, this is when you stop. Actually it should of never started.

This is for me the real darkside of eve, and where scamming takes it past gameplay. I have never played or seen a game that allows this to happen, or even breeds that type of person. The very idea of scamming has created these people, and CCP certainly has to take brunt of the blame for this as they endorse this type of behavior, but its gone a a step too far. as stated I am sure there are many Erotica1s lurking about.

This is just not scamming, its parasidic and morally wrong. Personally i would of called the police and given them the recording as people are now getting prosecuted for this type of thing. What gets me most is that there have been a few cases on twitter etc where people have committed suicide because of people like this. What if this guy did?

CCP has a duty just like twitter and others to protect its users.

However being a veteran player of this game, even after the time an investment i have made, every moral fibre in me is twitching. I am now seriously thinking do i want to pay, play or be a part of this game, ccp and its community if this is something that is happening to people. I certainly do not want to be associated with an organisation or game that endorses such actions and game play anymore.

not to mention that very much people in here have a social disability and so dont know what to think of both sides. and just go with the one following the most common behavior in this game.

I have been playing this game for many many years now, and have never really been comfortable with the whole scamming thing. I think it spoils the game and actually drives people away. Scamming as become so prevalent in Eve its over taken the good aspects of it. Look at jita every single post in chat is a scam.

I dont like the fact that goonswarm do this constantly to a point its part of their culture, and sometimes the way they do it is a little creepy and weird and wrong.

But this is a whole new level, and its just not about a scam, its cyber bullying, torture at is very worse. I am sure this is certainly not the first case of this and its happening to others by other eve players.

You can hear from the start where this was going, and Erotica1 sounds really creepy tbh. They carried on for 2 hours, even when they knew the guy was getting upset, this is when you stop. Actually it should of never started.

This is for me the real darkside of eve, and where scamming takes it past gameplay. I have never played or seen a game that allows this to happen, or even breeds that type of person. The very idea of scamming has created these people, and CCP certainly has to take brunt of the blame for this as they endorse this type of behavior, but its gone a a step too far. as stated I am sure there are many Erotica1s lurking about.

This is just not scamming, its parasidic and morally wrong. Personally i would of called the police and given them the recording as people are now getting prosecuted for this type of thing. What gets me most is that there have been a few cases on twitter etc where people have committed suicide because of people like this. What if this guy did?

CCP has a duty just like twitter and others to protect its users.

However being a veteran player of this game, even after the time an investment i have made, every moral fibre in me is twitching. I am now seriously thinking do i want to pay, play or be a part of this game, ccp and its community if this is something that is happening to people. I certainly do not want to be associated with an organisation or game that endorses such actions and game play anymore.

Things are getting a little wacky again. Let's see if we can rein it in a bit with a simple question.

Do you feel it's acceptable for a game company to knowingly allow obvious psychopaths to use their product to lure victims into out-of-game situations?

Mr Epeen

Except we're not talking about in game. This entire sad episode involved a group of EvE players harassing and humiliating another EvE player. It had nothing to do with spaceships at all. It was outright predatory behavior designed and intended to cause harm to another person.

some appropriate music for the next 50 pages

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VgvM7av1o1Q

All isk, assets, and skillpoints will be freely given up as the bonus round continues. I will read speeches, sing songs, and do other silly things.

EVE is just a game and we should all be able to win and lose stuff without attaching too much seriousness.

Thanks to CCP for an awesome sandbox. When I have a bit more time, I'll write a short 10 or so page response on this matter.

[quote=Josef Djugashvilis]There is a lot of talk about how the mark could have stopped the whole thing at any point.

Sohkar is a grown man.

I'm going to use bright letters here.

if Sohkar is mentally incapable of giving consent or understanding his actions, he should not be playing a game like EVE in the 1st place.

The game rating is irrelvent. If you are a child or incompetent you shouldn't be playing it.

The actual gameplay is easy. But EVE has a society built around it, a ROUGH society and if you can't handle that , you should be on it.

Just like facebook. USING facebook is easy, dealing with facebook society is a total different thing. That's what I'm saying, if you can't stand the heat of the internet, get off the internet (rather than expecting people to play nice).

CCP is generaly "supporting Scam" so this Player is "Coleteral Damage".

Greetings

Raze

This player could have walked away at any given moment. He chose not to. The end.

No, but his money and assets weren't taken. He gave them away. Willingly.

More importantly, what did he say back?

You do not own anything associated with your account other than the diminishing non-transferable license to play the game you acquired by way of your subscription fees.

I agree, this is probably a HUGE turn on for them.

PEOPLE SAYING THIS IS BAD PRESS FOR EVE ONLINE I THINK IT IS GOOD PRESS THIS GAME IS DARK AND TWISTED AND I HAVE HAD FRIENDS COME TO ME AFTER HEARING ABOUT THIS 'INCIDENT' AND PEOPLE WAVING THEIR BITCHFORKS ABOUT SAYING MATE MATE PLEASE GET ME A TRAIL FOR THIS GAME THIS SOUNDS IMMENSE AND THEY PUT DOWN THEIR XBOX TO COME CHECK.

NOT GONNA LIE THEY ARE PLAYING THIS GAME NOW THROUGH A BUDDY INVITE SYSTEM BECAUSE I GAVE THEM A TRAIL.

YOU SEE THE GOOD THAT HAS PERHAPS COME FROM THIS I HAVE GIVEN BIRTH TO SOME NEW PLAYERS. THESE NEW PLAYERS WANT TO BECOME THE NEXT EROTICAL 1 OR THE NEXT JAMES375 BECAUSE THEY ARE WANTING TO PLAY A GAME THAT THEY DIDN'T PREVIOUSLY.

ALL THE PEOPLE WAVING THEIR BITCHFORKS SAYING BAN THIS GUY BECAUSE HE IS BAD. THINK ABOUT IT THAT THIS JUST GOES ON AT ALL TIMES SAID BEHIND CLOSED DOORS. THIS IS NOT ANY DIFFERENT TO THE TIME I FOUND A GUY WHO WARDECCED ME WHO LIVED IN SAME CITY AND TIED HIM TO MY RADIATOR AS PUNISHMENT AND HE DROPED THE WARDEC. THE ONLY DIFFERENCE PERHAPS YOU SAY THAT HE DIDN'T GET HIS STORY PUBLISHED ON A BLOG THAT WANTS AN AUDIENCE FOR A PROPER GANDER CAMPAIGN.

THE EVIL HERE IS RIPARD TEGS AND HIS BRAINWASHING FOLLOWERS. MOST OF THE PEOPLE DIDN'T EVEN LISTEN TO THE RANTING RACIST FOUL MOUTHED GUY WHO GOT MAD AND INSTEAD JUST TOOK TO THE FORUMS TO PEN ANGRY POSTS. I AM NOT AN ANGRY MAN. I WOULD HAVE WALKED AWAY. PEOPLE NEED TO KNOW THIS BECAUSE I AM NOT MAD ABOUT THIS INCIDENE TI AM HAPPY THAT IT GOT MY TWO MATES TO COME PLAY WITH ME AND PUT DOWN THEIR CRACK PIPES AND XBOXES.

THINK ABOUT THIS FOR A MOMENT. WHY IS THIS HOLE THING BAD? I ASK YOU?

ORP.

The one who gets the 6000th post gets 100mill from me!

-Edit-

**** yeah!

Pay up!

do we get an achievement?

WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOORLDSTARRRRRRRRRRRRRR

So, if a gate camp scrams a player and the ransom is *ten* songs on TS, is that torture?

Btw, is this thread record breaking already?
Or do we have to carry on and make a few more posts?

My plan all along was to stop isk doubling/bonus rounds in the unlikely event I would be voted in. Imagine the fear in highsec carebears everywhere each time a "CSM Erotica 1" says "Hey! I have an idea!"

Long live the Code.

But EVE is real right?

You have chosen to behave in a certain way in this game and you have now discovered that your previous behavior will now prevent you from doing something - welcome to "actions have consequences"

If you can't risk having your real name published for fear of repercussions due to the way you have interacted with other players how can you possibly think you have any business on the CSM?

I would imagine most if not every trade hub scammer, AWOXer, pirate, and "dark side" type that plays this game enjoys inflicting loss on their victim. One of the reasons I hear the most for people liking full loot PvP games like this is because of "meaningful loss", whether it is a 1M ISK frigate or a multi-billion ISK mission runner or capitol ship. What is the point of podding people after you've already destroyed their ship? You have nothing to gain from it (it's not like you can loot their implants), other than a KM and a chance of some more tears. Are we going to start banning anyone that professes to "tear collecting"?

Says the guy that types like this^^^

I have no idea what you are referring to, nor do I give a rat's ass. I don't remember or care what you've previously posted in this thread. Your lame comment was the first time I even remember seeing your name. You'd have to be extremely bored to read this entire thread, much less remember what some random dude said on page 110.

I don't need your permission to post here.

Have a nice day.

There is a point where sadism isn't a fetish anymore but a disease.

Question is: Does CCP like to be associated with this? Let's ask that question to the PR people.

What out of game tear harvesting was done? Did they call his house and torment him? Did they shave his cat?

OK - now I've had chance to think about it here's my take:

Quite simply this individual and their behaviour are not things that I want me or the gaming hobby to be associated with. I've lived many years with people thinking that gamers are maladjusted sociopaths and having this sort of event to pin those opinions on are fuel for the fire. The main-stream gaming press have already started to pick up on this story and I doubt it'll be long before it gets grabbed by the wider media. In this case the damage is already done and all that can be achieved is to make it clear that the rest of us playing EVE aren't sub-normal gutter-feeders.

In the wider context, though, it makes sense to make sure that this doesn't become the norm for EVE online. That may well have swung fine when the answer to "I want to play a space MMO" was "Well there's EVE Online and er.. some other thing, no, wait, it's gone". The horizon for space MMOs looks to be big and varied and there's going to be places for the sane people to hang out without fear of the psychos.

Now - there's been a lot of arguments in here to support the actions of E1 and I thought I'd adress the main ones:

1. This is a slippery slope to....
Slippery slope arguments are, well, a slippery slope. Everything is a slippery slope to everything else and you can always assert hyperbolic consequences to anything. Quite simply, slippery slope areguments are irrelvant.

2. What was done was not a violation of the EULA
I think this is arguable either way and it's largely irrelevant. If CCP want to ban someone they can and they can stretch the EULA to fit where it's needed if they choose to do so. Comversely CCP can choose to ignore an obvious violation if they want to. Basically the ball is in their court and it's all about how they want the game to be and how they want it to be perceived.

3. They didn't do this other stuff that would have been much worse
Er... yeah. They didn't and you can always level that argument no matter how abhorent someone's behaviour is. The fact here is that the behaviour was bad enough. Bad enough to knowingly cause someone a hell of a lot of distress outside ofthe game and bad enough to reflect very badly on EVE and its player-base.

4. The vicitim had a choice not to be victimized
Yeah - this is one that gets levied at victims all the time. Often along with "they should have known better", "they shouldn't have looked like a victim", "they shouldn't have let themselves be bullied". Frankly, blaming the vicitim is something of a shameful act. It would be great if all players came into the game equipped to handle psychological abuse but that's not the case and it shouldn't be an entry requirement. Even if it were then it should certainly be made apparent.

5. The vicitim was especially psychologically sensitive
That may well be the case but it should be born in mind that EVE is specifically open to 13 year old children to sign up to. They could be prey to such actions and if turns out that they are, or already have been, then CCP is in for a hell of a lot more trouble than has currently been stirred up here. Seriously - if you think that a few hundred posts on a forum is turbulent then you've not seen what the media will do with that.

6. Banning E1 will kill the meta
Don't be rediculous - there's a hell of a lot more meta to the game than JIta scammers.

7. Banning E1 would be changing EVE
Yes - and for the better. Realistically, ask yourself what scammers add to the game compared to the level of annoyance they generate even without this sort of event. Frankly - how many of EVE's players would be happy to see scammers gone entirely? I can't think of a single good reason to protect them and I'd be more than happy to be able to turn up to a trade hub and not get continually spammed in local.

Ugh.. there's more I could say but I

I'll be honest with you, I'm not sure where the line is exactly. It doesn't matter though. E1 crossed it by a mile. Anyone with a shred of decency can see that.

That is why all the arguing about minutiae and the exact definition of the law or EULA is quite revealing.

i decided to finally post after talking to the night with erotica 1 and would like to say that erotica 1 and i didnt not troll i never met him before this thing happened. The bonus roomed happened a month ago and not many people knew about it til the post that was made which if i had a choice i would not have agree to it since i thought everything would of blown over. I dont think erotica 1 should be banned but just because of that i dont think what he did was 100% right but i choose to do what i did and i said what i said he didnt tell me to say it. I was tired and angry but i just want to blow this over.

I do believe this thread has come to an effective close given today's events. Not that most of it hasn't been redundant already, but any vilification of Ero after this point probably doesn't warrant the attention it's seeking.

So, I bid you all adieu, cuz I have things to do.

They've been on teamspeak together live streamed for the last 3 hours.

Stream just ended a few minutes ago. It's 3am eastern time and we are all up way too late. Sohkar and I had some good laughs and stuff and he will come back and hang out with us as we continue the bonus round of myself, and so on.

Yes, I am still bonus rounding myself for as long as it takes to eliminate my skillpoints and assets and so forth- readings, songs etc.

I am doing this not for any other reason but to make a point. This is only a game of internet spaceships. I will lose approximately 60m skillpoints total between characters and tens of billions or more in isk and assets.

But who cares? It's just internet spaceship pixels.

I will also sing, read the Code (which I already butchered some of as I was being interrupted and stuff (lol damnit) and so forth. Why? Because why not? It's fun if you allow it to be fun. It's only not fun if you hold silly things in too high of a regard.

I may even link a pic or 2, but it won't be identifiable, because too many people here still want to see me dead or something. LOL

Oh, and may I mention this one last thing....

Erotica 1 for CSM!



See you guys around. o7

Goodnight

*edit*

I just want to add that I do not wish for Ripard Teg (sp?) to be banned. I am interested in some of the other stuff....

also... CLEARLY next Christmas we must have a gift for everyone that makes some reference to this threadnaught. Perhaps a "***** fork?"

I know that you were kicked out for being "too creepy", among other amusing adjectives.